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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 1:01:36 GMT -7
In the "Need more villains" thread, data7 mentioned lack of civilians in the RP, thus discouraging people RPing villains, as the heroes always win. Come to think of it, we don't have any regulations considering making up and bringing in civilians.
I suggest being able to make up up to, say, 5 (or more?) civilians per thread and letting anyone post as them, including those whose apps haven't been accepted/looked at yet and those who haven't got an app yet. The characters cannot have any powers (obviously) and must be human (if on Earth, and all our threads take place on Earth, as far as I know). They cannot have any jobs/positions of power, fame and/or wealth, unless required by the thread and/or approved by mods.
Anyone can post as the civilians, even those who haven't got a char yet, which may give newcomers something to do while waiting. Posters may change, and there should be a sign or a mark clearly stating that one is RPing the civs.
The civs may die, may be mind controlled and harmed otherwise, may be used as pawns.
They will create new challenges for our heroes and encourage more people to play villains.
On the other hand, players can get more posts while RPing as civs. I don't know if this will become a problem or a benefit.
Do we need civilians, why no and, if yes, what do you propose?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 4:49:55 GMT -7
A civilian is a non powered non aligned p.c. Everyone could make one it will take up one of their OC spots or cannon spots, we have / had. Gwen Stacy, Mary jane, J. J. and a few others over the years. Its just in the overall story what can they post about besides being saved?
It will just be you recounting your day to day life and to me when you want to roleplay the post that has stuff happing will always be more fun then the one where the guy wakes up goes to work for 8 hours then heads home and looking up and seeing one guy go through the air or run when a super powered smackdown breaks out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 5:28:02 GMT -7
A civilian is a non powered non aligned p.c. Everyone could make one it will take up one of their OC spots or cannon spots, we have / had. Gwen Stacy, Mary jane, J. J. and a few others over the years. Its just in the overall story what can they post about besides being saved? It will just be you recounting your day to day life and to me when you want to roleplay the post that has stuff happing will always be more fun then the one where the guy wakes up goes to work for 8 hours then heads home and looking up and seeing one guy go through the air or run when a super powered smackdown breaks out. In other words, it's an oxymoron. A playable Non-playable character, or NPC. We can already do this with a non-powered OC or an Unoriginal. plus, with mod permission, you can make a one-off character. If I wanted to, I could get Mesmero and make him mind-control half of New York and force them to dance like chickens.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 5:33:01 GMT -7
Gwen Stacy, MJ, JJ, etc. are characters that have story, are already linked to heroes and/or villains and have at least some power.
I meant those that have nothing to do with the heroes and villains, apart from knowing them. I meant civs that are tailored for a specific thread or a specific character's need and can be abandoned once the thread is over.
It won't be about "guy wakes up, boring stuff, boring boring, routine, gets smacked, dies". It'll be very situational. It'll add more variety, give the thread's readers who aren't participating a chance to contribute.
For example, Mesmero is robbing a bank. Ususally, it's just Tak posting by himself an account of Mesmero's appearance and mind control. He got to the bank, mind-controlled a bunch of people, then Spidey came, beat Mesmero. About 10 posts. The speculative order would be: Tak, Tak, Tak, Revan, Tak, Revan, Tak, Revan, Tak, Revan
Add civilians.
Spec order: Tak, sidlotus, Tak, Altaran, Tak, catchace, Revan, Tak, sidlotus, Revan, Tak, Morph, Revan, Tak, Martyr, Revan. (With everyone, except Tak and Revan, playing civilians.) That's 16 posts.
The civs will add more depth, variety and challenge. They are optional, so, if a thread's authors don't want to or don't need to have civs in their story, they don't have to and can state so.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 5:36:08 GMT -7
In other words, it's an oxymoron. A playable Non-playable character, or NPC. We can already do this with a non-powered OC or an Unoriginal. plus, with mod permission, you can make a one-off character. If I wanted to, I could get Mesmero and make him mind-control half of New York and force them to dance like chickens. Yeah, disposable playable NPCs, like your squid-skull, only civs won't need special permission.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 9:35:57 GMT -7
While I like that concept, there's not much sadism and personal fulfillment in that, honestly. It's highly impersonal.
Playing as a Civi wouldn't be super boring in a world of SUPER heros and villains. IMO. The effect of sharing their normalcy with highly unusual characters puts much more strain on their lives and opinions than your average joe in our reality. (Or puts them in the lap of luxury, if they are hanging out with the right superhero or two, so unless you're living the playboy bunny dream in a pent house, it's not going to be like playing yourself.)
Half of the good stuff in M.U is the story telling that incorporates struggle/peace with unimportant, drab, powerless whelps. In the beginning that was half of Hulks main story arch? (Being surrounded by those without powers/special abilities. From what I recall, anyway.)
They can post about their angst, jealousy, lust, plots to be rid of mutants/certain heros, etc. It's not like civis have to be unintelligent knuckle dragging buffoons who only live to be kidnapping fodder. They actually make the lives of those with powers a living hell a lot of the time, not because they constantly need saving, but because often, they are trying to kill and ostracize those who are saving them. (Which can be emotionally conflicting)
It might not tickle other peoples fancies, but I'm interested, and hope others use up any unused character-slots they felt they didn't need; with an experimental Civi. Because like lionwolfe, I too feel as though NonPow/NonAL P.Cs would help keep things fresh and purposeful. (And thank you for taking notice of my concern in the villains thread!)
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Minions, civis, heros, villains, sidekicks, superpets, split personalities/disorders, and super intelligent inanimate objects. ("I'll never forget your sacrifice, Ship!" ) That's where I wanna be~
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 17:28:35 GMT -7
A while back there was a thread similar to this I think they said for sl purpose only we can create can foder either a low end bad guy or civilian for a sole purpose since it is controlled by character all actions are used as if a pc. The character can die or will most likely die so don't get attached. Then I think they changed it to only the mode can do this you will need a mod to specify. I was going to use a character named Riesman I briefly mentioned him and had him answer something that was it and no one said anything that was as far as I went cause I'm trying not to overstep my sl telling.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 18:47:05 GMT -7
I'm thinking civilians more as a trope and a plot device, unpowered, normally unimportant people that get in the villains' way and get caught up in the events. Characters that exist only in the threads and are mostly abandoned/killed at the end of each story (rules can be made regarding this). Everyone can post as them, maximum 2 posts in a row per player, so as not to get attached and to bring in some variety from others' writing. All players can use up a slot or a few to make a long-term, non-powered civilian, but who has a meaningful/useful-to-the-RP job (journalist, reporter, Stark's business rival), holds a position of power (minister, judge) or is just wealthy. These will be the civilians who stick their nose in supers' business, cause it's their job, for personal gain or out of personal interest. The MU feels big not just because there's stuff with supers happening, but cause they are part of the usual events as well. The normal world blends with the super world in a way that works, and that blend is what makes so many people fans of the MU. (And you're welcome, data7 )
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Post by Super Chick on Aug 1, 2014 11:13:36 GMT -7
I'm thinking civilians more as a trope and a plot device, unpowered, normally unimportant people that get in the villains' way and get caught up in the events. Characters that exist only in the threads and are mostly abandoned/killed at the end of each story (rules can be made regarding this). Everyone can post as them, maximum 2 posts in a row per player, so as not to get attached and to bring in some variety from others' writing. I can get behind the idea of allowing single-thread-use civilians as plot devices or tropes. I am cool with people being permitted to toss a civilian into the mix without having to apply for them since they are not going to be played outside of the single thread. I am even OK with allowing several posts that involve that civilian. What I would not be OK with is a "2 posts in a row" rule. Whatever is important enough to be included in a single scene before someone else gets to post can be done in the first post. Doing this just seems like a lame way to earn a higher post count and get the poster closer to the next tier for a new character. If you want to post with said civilian more than once in the thread, then it should be done after others have posted in their posting order. It should be following the action and reactions from what was last posted, and reacting to that. Reacting to oneself in two or three consecutive posts is not role playing. It's going solo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 2:46:28 GMT -7
I can get behind the idea of allowing single-thread-use civilians as plot devices or tropes. I am cool with people being permitted to toss a civilian into the mix without having to apply for them since they are not going to be played outside of the single thread. I am even OK with allowing several posts that involve that civilian. What I would not be OK with is a "2 posts in a row" rule. Whatever is important enough to be included in a single scene before someone else gets to post can be done in the first post. Doing this just seems like a lame way to earn a higher post count and get the poster closer to the next tier for a new character. If you want to post with said civilian more than once in the thread, then it should be done after others have posted in their posting order. It should be following the action and reactions from what was last posted, and reacting to that. Reacting to oneself in two or three consecutive posts is not role playing. It's going solo. What I meant by "2 posts in a row" is the same person playing for the civilian twice without anyone else taking the civ up. Example. lionwolfe and sidlotus RPing as Clint and Cap. Everyone else as civilians. The desired speculative order would be: lionwolfe, sidlotus, catchace, lw, sl, catchace, lw, sl, Altaran, lw, sl, catchace, lw, sl, DeVille, lw, sl, Alt, lw, sl, Alt...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 14:44:22 GMT -7
Color me confused. I had believed that non-powered characters, whether original or canon were free to app for and stuff. Is that not the case? Morph seems to be indicating that they take up an original or canon slot. No real biggy to me specifically either way, I’d just like to know if that’s the case because I wasn’t aware that had changed. On the civilian front, honestly I don’t see what the hubbub is all about, unless the intent is to avoid having to app a given briefly static civie. As far as I know you can create specific or random civilians or whatever in any given thread as witnesses or the proverbial backdrop, but realistically in most cases unless they’re hounding a hero or villain even, for an autograph, videoing them so they can put them up on youtube or their blog, most civilians aren’t going to stick around while Thanos dukes it out with Hercules or what have you. Likewise, as npc’s any, and everyone in that specific thread can write for them, though I’d assume the only rule of thumb is that whoever is doing so writes them like they’d actually act in that circumstance. Personally I don’t see the huge lure to play X-random civilian while two or other three other players play their actual characters and I can understand how that would come off as post count inflating, because it doesn’t really do anything to develop that player’s actual character(s). I think it’s easy enough to include civie type stuff in alongside actual character posts. Call me crazy…
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